It's weird to me that people don't openly talk about how Elon musk is a fraud when he's done stuff like the child submarines, the plan for fixing traffic by turning the ground under cities into swiss cheese, and the cars that have the hardware for autonomous driving "already installed." They're not even good lies.

I'm guessing it's because he's one of the richest people in the world (depending on how successfully he's juiced his stock via Twitter) and the legally actionable word "fraud" isn't good to throw around when people have money and time

As others have pointed out, more Elon scams:
The Covid ventilation machines that don't work and actually spray particles around, the expensive and inefficient pneumatic tube system, the rockets that continually explode on the launchpads, the plan to clutter up space with an astonishing amount of junk satellites. It just goes on and on.

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In case the space junk thing was news to you, it is happening as we speak. SpaceX has a satellite project called Starlink, and they are launching scores of small satellites every couple of weeks. google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/p

Elon wants to out tens of thousands of satellites in our sky. There's only 9,000 stars, by comparison, that are visible to the unaided human eye. Imagine looking up and seeing nothing but what Apartheid emeralds and taxpayer subsidies can buy.

And he's not even the only one doing this. Because we live in capitalism, we have to have multiple competing micro-satellite firms. Each one wanting to launch thousands of satellites.

I'm not saying these wouldn't be good to have, to provide uninterruptible internet to rural areas, but this is the shittiest way to do it, with all the attendant inefficiencies and lack of care about unintended consequences we usually see from the private sector

@InternetEh total mass surveillance all over the surface of the planet

it's okay to say these wouldn't be a good thing to have

@InternetEh Do people even need uninterruptible internet though? It would probably be better for the environment to switch to protocols that can tolerate delays and to have UIs that work with that. Like Secure Scuttlebutt or named data networks. But of course those don't feed any billionaire's pocket and ego.

@grainloom @InternetEh as someone who suffers through bad rural internet in a place where 100 Mbit is urban enterprise-grade, I'd much rather this tbh

@grainloom @InternetEh I think video conferencing doesn't work that way yet. Yes, you can always argue "we don't actually need that" and of course we don't, but especially in this time you can probably see how not having it leads to a lower quality of life.

@solarkraft @InternetEh Yup, and indeed we don't need that. People will have a better quality of life if instead of messing up the environment so that everyone can stream in 8k we just used better protocols and restructured our workflows.

@solarkraft @InternetEh
But also NDN can be used synchronously and gives you multi-path transmission for free. So, could even improve streaming, if that's something that you absolutely need.

@InternetEh I really wonder (it may sound like asked in bad faith, but it is not):
What's a better way to implement long shot ideas than making it a race with high risk and high reward? Could a government ever realistically do this by itself?

Like you seem to I also dislike the duplication of efforts in a market, but at the same time appreciate the effects of competition (/horror of a monopoly) just as much.

@InternetEh you wont be able to see any of the stars soon anyway due to pollution

@InternetEh that's the best description of star link i have read

@InternetEh I have very mixed feelings about Starlink and many of Musk's endeavors. I also recognize that many ISPs have an extremely bad relationship with rural communities and that rural communities are ill served by the status-quo. Starlink might light a fire under companies that have had captive consumers up until now. The digital divide in this country is very real. I also think there are a lot of liberal people who might consider moving to more rural areas if there was better internet.

@InternetEh this is not a dystopian cyberpunk reality I want to live

@InternetEh my first thought is, "Do you want Kessler Syndrome? Because this is how you get Kessler Syndrome."

@maidofclay yeah i mean I assume at some point we're gonna want or need to be up there for some reason or another

@InternetEh The satellites for Starlink were designed with 'assisted' deorbting in mind, instead of being left up in orbit to cause problems at some point in the future. They deorbited 47 of them last October. Everything went to plan.

As for it's efficiency: Previous satellite internet deployments put the satellites in a very high orbit, introducing multi-second lag, and extremely slow speeds. They're extremely expensive, $5+/mb of traffic is considered cheap.

@InternetEh The downside of having Starlink sat's in lower orbits is that more of them are required to provide coverage.

Kessler's Syndrome is a valid AF concern with that.

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